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February 19, 2008


  1. My favorite quote is “this country was founded on the Bible.” Oh so terrifyingly stupid, and their vote matters every bit as much as mine.

    I checked my Declaration of Independence, and my Constitution, but I didn’t find any references to the Bible or even the ten commandments in there. Maybe I have the wrong versions of those.

  2. Well, since 99% of the founding fathers were Christian (Thomas Jefferson was a Unitarian) it’s not tooooo big of a leap to say that. Of course, sticking with everything that those guys were in favor of would hardly be anybody’s definition of progress.

  3. 15 minutes – that’s how long I’ve been trying to articule how much I deplore these people. I just can’t find the funny in these people.

  4. You won’t find those references in the “King James Bible”. You need the “President George” one.


  5. Sadly it’s not just the yokels running with this kind of stuff. I heard on 106.7 in Los Angeles this morning a caller point out that Obama’s middle name was Hussein, he was raised Muslim & that he was photographed refusing to put his hand over his heart during the pledge of allegiance. Nation of fucking idiots. If you don’t want to vote for someone because you think they’ll raise taxes, fine. If you don’t want to vote for someone because they don’t put enough priority on military spending, fine. But not voting for someone because their middle name is the same as the last name of a deposed dictator may be the stupidest reason I’ve ever heard.

  6. What is this “bobble” thing they kept talking about? 🙂

  7. Hey, wait.

    Do you have to be Christian (by law, not because of the RR’s) to be President? If so, wouldn’t that have already disqualified Mr. Obama?

  8. ..sigh. Okay, so:

    1) No, there’s no law that says you have to be Christian to be President, but
    2) Yes, you currently have to be Christian to win the Presidential race, it’s just how life is in predominantly Christian America. A Jew or worse yet a Muslim running for President would result in the greatest outpouring of Christian voters the electorate had ever seen. Assuming either party nominated a Jew or worse yet a Muslim.
    3) None of which matters because Barrack Hussein!!! Obama is an outspokenly religious Christian, whose faith is a centerpoint of many of his speeches & written works. Although raised Muslim, he turned his back on the imaginary Allah in favor of the more politically expedient yet every bit as imaginary Zombie Jesus.

  9. LOL, thanks, Jonson.

    You know you’re gonna get a lot of negative press on that comment, don’t you?

    As an “outsider”, I am as fearful of either an RR male or female taking the big chair down there as any other religious nutjob screaming about God while waving a firearm, regardless of the language spoken. 🙂

  10. Maybe we should have some faith-based *disqualifiers* for America’s highest office.

    Example: If you believe that Earth is a spritely 6,000 years old, you should not be our President.

    Example: If you believe that Satan motivates our enemies (as opposed to, um, socio-economics, religious fanatacism, and other discernible causes), you should not be our President.

    Example: If you believe in unconditional support for Israel because Jerusalem is the purported location of the Second Coming, you should not be our President.

    Example: If you think that the Book of Leviticus should dictate public school sex education, you should not be our President.

    Example: If you think that prayer will stop bullets in Iraq, you should be on the front lines – and you should not be our President.

    [Back to work…]


  11. Hey, Chuck,

    I use those disqualifiers already.

  12. Actually, he wasn’t even raised Muslim.
    “In our household the Bible, the Koran and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology. On Easter or Christmas Day my mother might drag me to church, just as she dragged me to the Buddhist temple, the Chinese New Year celebration, the Shinto shrine and ancient Hawaiian burial sites…

    In sum, my mother viewed religion through the eyes of the anthropologist she would become; it was a phenomenon to be treated with a suitable respect, but with a suitable detachment as well.”
    -The Audacity of Hope

    His school wasn’t any more “Muslim” than any LAUSD school is “Christian.”
    Indonesian Embassy Says That Besuki School Attended by Barack Obama “Has Never Been an Islamic Madrassah Type of School.” A letter from the Indonesian Embassy stated that “Sekolah Dasar Negeri Besuki in Menteng, Jakarta, Indonesia has always been a public school. It has never been an Islamic madrassa type of school.” [Letter From Ambassador Sudjadnan Parnohadiningrat to Senator Barack Obama, 1/25/07]

    Not only will he say the pledge, he wants EVERY school kid to say it, too.
    Obama Voted To Require Pledge Of Allegiance Recital Requirement. Obama voted to require the Pledge of Allegiance to be recited each school day by students in secondary education institutions receiving public funds. [92nd GA, SB 1634, 3/7/02, 3R P; 54-0-0; P.A. 92-0612, 7/3/02; 92nd GA, HB 2077, 11/28/01, 3R P; 56-0-0]

  13. Nice – thanks Mr K, always good to have facts. My own boss who is both Christian & right wing but usually pretty level headed has been saying repeatedly that Obama “spent as much time in a Madrassah as McCain spent in a Vietcong jail” as though the two were in any way related.

    That’s the thing about these comparisons, the weird wrong argument that gets thrown up isn’t even worth having, because it’s fundamentally mistaken. Like people saying they wouldn’t vote for Hilary “because she’s a lesbian.” You instinctively want to address the “No she isn’t!” part before you think, “well wait a second, why wouldn’t you vote for a lesbian?” Or in the video above, “I wouldn’t vote for him because he wants to be sworn in on the Koran!!” “No he doesn’t! Wait… why would you even care what book of fiction our president touches when being sworn in?” Seriously, when I win the Presidency, I’m getting sworn in on Dianetics. It really helped me work through my issues with the bears. And the raping.

  14. The thing I love about the whole ‘Hillary-is-a-lesbian’ thing, is that the people who throw that around are the same people who think Bill should have been impeached for getting freaky with a pleasantly plump intern. You can’t have that both ways people! If she’s a lesbian, can you blame him for being a skirt chaser? And if your husband is running around with every cheesy nightclub singer in town, why not hook up with another woman who can ‘feel your pain?’

    And by the way, the latest person she’s allegedly bumping muffs with is her ultra smoking hot assistant. If it were true it just means Hillary has good taste!

  15. So, will she (Hillary) have cigars in the ovum office?

    Can she be impeached if she does, since lesbianism doesn’t exist?

  16. An oldie but goodie:

  17. Even better:

  18. Wow. And to think that a couple of weeks ago people in the blog called me racist for making a comment on Obama and his possible muslim roots. I did not know that Muslims were off limits, but Christians? Lynch em’, laugh at them, and make fun of them all day long. Quite hypocritical.

  19. Actually, Obama’s as Christian as these folk are, but I don’t hold it against him. Truth be told, I don’t think I’ve made any secret of my disdain for religion, across the entire spectrum.

    The fact that you don’t understand the difference between mocking ignorant/intolerant Tennessee hillbillies & the xenophobia inherent in smearing a man because his last name sounds dangerously foreign is not surprising. I’m not gonna close the thread to new comments, but let’s please not start this again.

    From time to time, especially in an election year, I’m gonna post a few political items, usually ones that amuse me. You should totally avoid those threads.

  20. Okay, I was sensitive. I guess as a Christian and a Republican, I resent the many generalizations that are made; we are homophobic, racist, intollerant, etc. I find none of these things to be true, nor do I find them to be true of many other people that I know. I guess I see that many in the liberal community believe that conservative republicans are that way, but I shouldn’t, because that would be generalizing people whose hearts I do not know.

    Okay. I’ll be done now.

  21. Oh, and by the way…Rush, May 11th. Verizon Ampitheatre.

  22. Below are the first few sentences to the Declaration of independence. Perhaps macsimcon does have the wrong version. Were all men CREATED equal? or EVOLVED equal. Just curious.

    When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

  23. I’m pretty sure you & macsimon have the same version, as I don’t see any mention of the Bible or the 10 Commandments in there either.

    “Okay. I’ll be done now.”

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